1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,200 about an hour ago at 1807 Zulo in the vicinity of Mount Shasta, he observed a large object 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:21,760 about the size of a C5A, and he went south of Mount Shasta about 15-20 minutes, and then 3 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:26,480 he turned around and came back and he saw the same object on his northbound flight. 4 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:34,000 At about 1840 Zulo, or just about 24 minutes ago, and he says the second time it came out of a 5 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:42,240 vertical cloud that hangs over Mount Shasta, and it was quite noticeable, still quite large in size, 6 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:51,280 and green and gray in color. Okay, I have the gentleman's name and the number of the aircraft. 7 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:59,600 Okay. He's coming up to Portland from California. The number of his aircraft is November 55130, 8 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:06,400 it's a Cherokee. The gentleman's name is Mr. and he can be contacted in Portland at phone number, 9 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:14,000 and he also notified us over the year that he's a Mormon and hasn't had a drink for 20 years. 10 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:20,400 Oh, beautiful. So he's been flying for quite a while and he says he's seen this object twice. 11 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,880 Now, once southbound over Mount Shasta, and once again northbound, and the second time it came out 12 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:31,040 of the cloud that caps Mount Shasta. Okay, we'll get in contact. He'll be in Portland in about an hour 13 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:36,400 and 20 minutes from now, or just about while 130 he'll be at the Portland airport, and I don't know 14 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,280 how long it'll take him to get home. Okay. Okay. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Good bye. 15 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,160 I'm calling for the UFO reporting center in Seattle. Yes, sir. We understand you had a little 16 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,160 experience today. Yeah, we had a little bit of one. Okay, I wonder if we could get a 17 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:58,080 you know what you saw. You bet. There's about the size of a galaxy C5, 18 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:04,960 and it's across, you know, have you ever rid of the guppy? Yes. Okay, that type of the aircraft, 19 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,480 the big, the big, but it looked like it had a similar shape to that, and was across between 20 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:16,560 that and the blimp, and about the size of the C5. It's just, it was big, it was sort of a grayish 21 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:24,000 green color, and from a long distance, about 55 miles away out by it last, the first time I 22 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,840 sighted it, and I thought, well, it's a cloud or something, then it got closer, moved closer, 23 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:35,280 and then it moved back again, and disappeared, and I was talking, I asked them if they had a radar 24 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,560 blip, and they said, yeah, but it's disappeared now from behind last, and they just didn't have 25 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:46,560 anything there, you know, and then something appeared from behind, same thing, appeared from 26 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:52,240 behind Mount Shasta, and it disappeared into the clouds, into Shasta, the clouds around Mount 27 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:57,840 Shasta, and didn't come out again until I took a picture of a little rascal. It started to come 28 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:04,560 out, and I snapped a shot of it as I was about 20 miles from the peak of Mount Shasta. I don't 29 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,760 know whether I got it or not, but I took a picture of it, and I'm going to have that film developed. 30 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,840 Okay. About what time did this happen? To start the first sighting? 31 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:24,080 First sighting? Oh, bananas. I guess it was about 11 through 12 o'clock, 32 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,960 11 through 12 o'clock thereabouts, somewhere around here. 33 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,480 Okay. Now, you say that the Archeac approached you? 34 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,280 Yes, it did. 35 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:38,160 Okay. Did it get close enough to have, to see any openings, any lights, any appendages? 36 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:44,960 No, it did not. It was about 30 miles from me. It looked like it was about 50 or 60 miles away, 37 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,920 originally, and then it got within about 30 miles of me. It looked like it started to come 38 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,840 toward me, but the time that I took the picture and started to come out of the clouds, 39 00:03:53,840 --> 00:04:00,000 there at Shasta, I was about 15 miles from me. It was, you know, you could see Mount Shasta 40 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:06,400 in direct wind. Yes. And so, I didn't notice anything then at that time. I just was kind of 41 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:11,120 excited trying to snap the picture of the dog on it. Right. Okay. Do you feel that it was flying 42 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:19,040 at about the same altitude that you were at? Well, it was at about 10,000, 511,000 feet around that, 43 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:27,280 around that very 2000 feet or so. Okay. And what was the color? Sort of a gray-green color. 44 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:34,240 Could you make out any metallic surface? No, I could. Was this gray-green? Did it appear to be a 45 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:41,440 solid color of a surface or a light effect? Solid color of a surface. It wasn't varying in 46 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:49,920 shade or anything else. It was a solid color. Okay. Now, wasn't that, I don't imagine that you could 47 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,480 see any heat waves or anything coming off of it? No, I wasn't noticing any heat waves or anything. 48 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,880 I thought first that, you know, I thought, you know, I was sort of joking around with 49 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,840 them up there and how I didn't see anything really at all. But when it approached me, 50 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,920 then I realized it wasn't a cloud because it came too fast. Yes. And it just had that big, you know, 51 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:16,240 that was just really hard to explain. It was strange. Very strange. That's about all I can say. It was 52 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:22,240 strange. Did you report that? Was that to the Auburn Center that they were tracking? 53 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,520 Um, I don't know if it was the Auburn Center or what, I was reporting this first deciding when to 54 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,120 open control. Uh-huh. So I don't remember exactly what frequency I was on at that 55 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:39,840 press of time. I think it was 120.4. I'm not positive of that. I see. And when was it that you 56 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:46,720 reported to Auburn? Well, immediately upon, after I was over there looking that way, and I just, 57 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,680 I had to, I'm saying, look at for about three, four minutes. And then I, well, not even that long, 58 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:58,080 I guess it was, seemed like that long. And he was flying over Shasta, this is my second 59 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:04,640 society. Uh-huh. So I don't really, he saw anything or not. I don't think he did. I see. 60 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:11,360 And you were on the west side of Shasta at the time? This is correct. Right. Uh-huh. Okay. That's 61 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:19,280 when I took the picture of the west side of Shasta. Uh-huh. Okay. How about your instruments? 62 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:23,200 Do you have any effect on the, uh, your compass or your guidance system at all? 63 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:30,800 Or your radio? Well, my instruments was, everything was fine except for, um, when I, when I got close 64 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:37,680 to, uh, Shasta, really close to Shasta Mountain, there seemed to be a variance in my, um, uh, 65 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:46,560 my Vortech reading for, um, Eugene. Uh-huh. It said that Eugene was, uh, 90 degrees to me, 66 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:52,560 uh, west. And I know darn well it wasn't, but that was all that there was. I see. I just, 67 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,240 I just readjusted everything, just made sure. But that's the only thing that, that was out of the 68 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:01,680 normal during that time. And you had no problems with instrumentation, uh, on the way back to 69 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:09,280 Seattle? No, I didn't. I had no, no problems whatsoever. Okay. Here to Portland. The only 70 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:14,400 problem I had was weather. Oh. Are you going to have those pictures developed right away? 71 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:20,960 You bet. I'm anxious to see what I get. Well, if something does show up, uh, could we be notified? 72 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:26,160 You betcha. You betcha. Would you like our phone number? Yes, I would. Okay. And I'll let you 73 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,960 know when we're the other. Oh, that's beautiful. Okay. Okay. If you'd notified anyone else of this, 74 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:36,160 or has anyone else called you? No, this is the, this is the first thing that I've said to anybody. 75 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:41,200 Okay. But they said, they, uh, they asked me to not say anything to anyone. And, uh, until 76 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,800 someone contacted me. Right. And you were the only one in the aircraft? Yes, sir, I was. Okay. 77 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,480 I was also interrogated and asked if I'd been drinking. 78 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:59,440 Standard procedure, I think, for UFOs. Well, I told them no, I hadn't had a drop in 25 years, 79 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:04,880 and then I, and I explained the reason why because I was warm and so. Okay. Is this your 80 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:10,960 first experience along this line? Uh, yes it is. How long have you been flying? Um, one year now. 81 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,960 Let's see. Pretty close to a year. And I've got almost 300 hours. Okay. 82 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,680 Well, sir, we sure appreciate, uh, your talking to us and taking your time. And, uh, if we get 83 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,760 any more information on this, we'll get back to you. And I hope that if anything shows on that 84 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,240 film, you'll let us know. You bet. You bet. I'll let you know when we're the other, if anything shows 85 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,640 up, whether it does or doesn't. Okay. Thank you very much for calling. You're talking to us. You bet. 86 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,320 Okay. Bye-bye. 87 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,320 She had to do it with her picture, because, uh, I'm good at it all, I'm much faster. 88 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,720 Here's some more pictures I took on the way back. 89 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,280 Except for I got into the engineering when I got cloudy and some sun and, 90 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,320 I was on the same trip. 91 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,400 And I'm not a professional photographer by any means. I, I, I just happened to 92 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,760 play around a little bit. We get lucky once in a while. 93 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,640 There's some more duplicates of each other. Different kinds of pictures. 94 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:13,440 Yeah, my son does. 95 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:15,760 That is what I'm thinking. I'm zero. 96 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:21,920 Do you have that half of a... 97 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,280 No, I do not. It's, um, it's running around someplace. I don't know where it is. 98 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,080 I don't know exactly where it is, but because I'll be happy with it, 99 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,160 because you get it developed. There isn't a photo man and you get a rebate, you know? 100 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,040 If you don't like the pictures you take, that's what I did. 101 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,240 Nothing goes on there. 102 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,560 No, nothing except for this, this portion here. 103 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,840 There wasn't anything, the other half of the frame, there wasn't anything there, 104 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,160 except for the numbers, um, what was left of, you know, the, they have it under the tape. 105 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,320 So there, there wasn't anything left of that. 106 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,120 That was that was taken the same day, right? 107 00:09:59,120 --> 00:09:59,680 Right. 108 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:00,160 You bet. 109 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,600 I took that down the way down. 110 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,520 No, that's on the way back up. 111 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:04,000 I see. 112 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:11,680 That was just, I took the picture, I had one frame left and I rolled it and it hung up on 113 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:15,120 about the last, you know, part of it. Well, you know, that's it. 114 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,680 I didn't have time while I was flying to take everything out of my 3-frame memory. 115 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:24,640 This thing started to emerge from, from back from behind here. 116 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,360 And I, I popped up my camera and just snapped it. 117 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:35,600 And I was hoping that I got something, but I didn't get anything at all, unfortunately, 118 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,840 because there wasn't enough there to film to take anything to, to, to that actor. 119 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,040 The clear conditions. 120 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,320 It would have been nice. 121 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,240 Yeah, I was, I was a little upset. 122 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,040 I was really anxious to see what I had, and maybe just, maybe. 123 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,120 And, but I didn't have anything, unfortunately. 124 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,360 But these, these clouds are very deceiving. 125 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:04,480 They're always there, I guess. 126 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,400 Every time I've always drove down, I've always noticed that there's been a cloud 127 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,160 around my chest. I've never seen it clear. 128 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,920 There's only seen it about five, six times. 129 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,760 So I don't know if they were new clear way or what. 130 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:18,320 Now, when you were coming down heading south, were you to the right or east or west of the 131 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:18,640 mountain? 132 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:24,640 Okay, when I was going headed south, I was to the, to the west of the mountain. 133 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,560 This is the, this is the palm of the fall section here. 134 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:30,160 Oops. 135 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,640 I don't want to be doing much and I'm sorry. 136 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:39,680 I had a couple times fear. 137 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:41,440 No, I was just looking pretty fast. 138 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:43,440 Okay. 139 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:44,020 Okay. 140 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:50,320 Here we have Shasta here, Shasta. 141 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:56,800 And I was coming down this way through here, down this way, when I cut on across down here 142 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,280 on the same fiscal section, like this. 143 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:08,560 And it took the same route back up, flew into Red Bluff area, up this way, and came across 144 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:11,040 up this on the right hand side, now going north. 145 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,040 Going north was the time on Sunday. 146 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:24,800 October, I guess it was the fourth Sunday is when I made the, the sighting, the sighting. 147 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,080 I was approximately in here at the time, my first sighting. 148 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,040 I saw this, this huge object. 149 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,640 And it was just really strange. 150 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,640 It was across between a galaxy, it was the size magnitude of the galaxy C5. 151 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,720 And it had this big sort of a bubble type thing that like a guppy would have. 152 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,600 And sort of long an album like a blimp. 153 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,600 So it was sort of across between the three of them. 154 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:56,960 It had a, it was from that distance, it didn't have a metallic shape or whatever. 155 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,400 Looked to it at the present time. 156 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,880 It had a grayish green color. 157 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:04,800 I didn't see any lights or anything else. 158 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:06,640 And I, it just looked funny. 159 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,600 So I called Oakland Control Center and I asked them for confirmation. 160 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,800 Do you have anything out there? 161 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,800 And they said, yeah, we have something about six and one ounce out here by Lassen. 162 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,960 And that's a question of where I could see it. 163 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,240 It was just, you know, it was pretty good size. 164 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,880 It was like a very extraordinary sized object. 165 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,640 It wasn't an airplane, you know. 166 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,320 And they said, we have a blip, but we're not giving it a radar service. 167 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,800 And they checked to see if it was a C5 by chance. 168 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,600 And they ran, they didn't have any C5s on VFR or anything in that area. 169 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,320 And then the blip disappeared. 170 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,520 And I said, well now I've got, it's about half distance from me. 171 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,360 They said, yeah, we've got a blip there too now. 172 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,360 And she says, I don't know, you know, she checked again and there wasn't anything. 173 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,200 And at that time it had disappeared. 174 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:58,320 So that was the last of that. 175 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:03,200 It had moved the tween thing of an eye, you know, about half distance. 176 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,960 That made about a half distance between me and not Lassen. 177 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:07,920 So it'd been 60 miles. 178 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:08,960 It was about 30 miles. 179 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,320 The next site, I was right in here approximately. 180 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,920 And I, and I got it, this thing popped out from around in here. 181 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,480 And I called Oakland Center again. 182 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,160 That's Lassen, right? 183 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,920 No, this is Lassen down here. 184 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:32,800 Oh, I see, okay. 185 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,320 And this up here is Shasta. 186 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:35,840 This is Shasta. 187 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,800 And I called him and they said, Lassen, you know, you have, you know, 188 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,480 look there, I've got it again. 189 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:48,880 And at that time they had a Hughes Airwessers flying over pretty close there. 190 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,480 And he was looking, he didn't catch it, but it disappeared into his clouds. 191 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:53,840 But I showed you. 192 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,760 Um, they confirmed the fact that there was something there, but they didn't know what it was. 193 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,360 And it disappeared shortly afterwards. 194 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,920 I had no problems with my instruments down here in my airplane in this area. 195 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:04,960 It was a, what's wrong? 196 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:11,520 When I passed within right here, this distance of the mountain, just prior to me trying to 197 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:18,640 snap a picture of it, I was tuned in to, uh, Roseburg radio, which would be in front of 198 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:19,680 you, shortly in front of you. 199 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,280 But all of a sudden the needle pointed as if though it was at 90 degrees to me. 200 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:25,760 To the West. 201 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,560 And that was the only instrumentation, uh, disorders that I had. 202 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,280 That was in that area of Shasta. 203 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:34,080 Right. 204 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:34,400 Okay. 205 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,120 And now did Oakland confirm that they had picked something up there too? 206 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,160 They confirmed that there was something there, but they didn't have a radar following. 207 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,600 You had two confirmations. 208 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,640 That there was something there, but they didn't know what it was. 209 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,480 It could have been a life plane, you know, as far as they knew. 210 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,360 But it was not something that they were actually following. 211 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,800 Also Seattle Center confirmed the fact that there was something there. 212 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:58,080 And I was then on Seattle at about approximately this time they switched me to Seattle. 213 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:04,560 And then they, when they contacted me, I got my info bank and everything else at that time. 214 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:08,960 It was unique. 215 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,040 That's about all I can say. 216 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,480 They're green, gray color. 217 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,600 And it wasn't like a cloud because it was really, you know, it was clear. 218 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,920 You could see by my picture how clear everything was. 219 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,440 It, it was just there for just a moment. 220 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:28,800 Then he merged from the clouds. 221 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,360 They try to take the picture, but in our actual after I snapped the shot, 222 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,320 it reached and merged back into the cloud area. 223 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:37,600 Cloud cover. 224 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,680 Would you say that it was at an altitude higher? 225 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,360 No, it was approximately even with me. 226 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,480 It was like I was fine at 10, 5. 227 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,920 So it was about the same altitude I was, you know, give or take a thousand feet. 228 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,200 Finty would be harder than I was, I'm sure. 229 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:12,640 Did any time the FAA in Seattle ask you about that after you had reported your pin letter 230 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,280 and every day you had tracked it, did they ask for any more data? 231 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,440 When you were coming up, whether you'd seen it anymore? 232 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:18,880 No, they didn't. 233 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,120 They asked me if my was sober. 234 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,400 I remember it was open or Seattle asked me if I was sober. 235 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,320 And I explained to them I hadn't, I never drank my life when I was mourning. 236 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,240 So I said, I guess you're sober. 237 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,000 So I'm just sort of passing a question for over there. 238 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,760 I guess they get a lot of guys and it was that sort of, you know, that type of, 239 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,600 you know, Sunday flyers or whatever. 240 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,320 I sort of joke around with me, you know, I know it's just my eyes. 241 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,680 And I was just, you know, you guys are gonna find me on the screen and I said, 242 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,000 now we got a blue pill there, but we don't, you know, we're not following. 243 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,360 That's, that's about all I know. 244 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:57,440 I mean, is there any other specific questions that you could? 245 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:58,400 Yeah, I have a question. 246 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,880 Because all of your, your flying was on the west side of both Lassen and Shepston. 247 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:05,360 You bet. 248 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:06,080 Okay. 249 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:11,920 Approximately how far from Lassen were you when you sighted the outfit? 250 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,360 I was about 60 miles. 251 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:15,600 Okay. How far away from Lassen was the outfit? 252 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,840 Very close to Lassen. 253 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,120 I would, I would guess it was right within this area right here. 254 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,760 So you were the western portion of the line. 255 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:26,000 Right. 256 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,560 Then you went up to, you were flying, there's Shepston. 257 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:32,960 Right. 258 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,880 And then you saw the outfit. 259 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,040 Again, on this side, on the eastern side. 260 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:37,280 Okay. 261 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,480 And she disappeared into the clouds in here. 262 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,480 Then as I was flying on the western side, she emerged. 263 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:46,240 From this side of the mountain. 264 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,640 It appeared as though it was emerging from the clouds. 265 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,040 Okay. It may not have been because you know, you're, you're from here and you're, 266 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,160 you're cloud, you're looking from this side here and something comes out. 267 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,040 Like this, it looks like it's coming from out, but it may be just on the other side of the mountain. 268 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,680 But it appeared as though it was emerging from the clouds. 269 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,520 I was about, I was in about 10 miles from it. 270 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:06,000 Okay. 271 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,760 Now, how far away from Shepston were you when you sighted, 272 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,320 sighted about the eastern portion? 273 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,640 I was about 20, about 20 miles from Shepston. 274 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:17,680 Okay. 275 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,320 Then you saw it here in the eastern portion. 276 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:20,800 Right. 277 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,160 Right, right in here on the side. 278 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:23,280 There. 279 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:23,520 Okay. 280 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:25,680 And then, uh, 281 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,840 they helped disappeared into the clouds. 282 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:28,400 Okay. 283 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,320 At what point did your instrument, 284 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,040 instrument had a, 285 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:35,680 I don't know, 286 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:36,800 a salmage consortium? 287 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:37,600 Right about here. 288 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,240 And how far would you estimate your position from Shepston at that point? 289 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,600 Okay, I can give you a pretty accurate indication here. 290 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:49,920 Or within, uh, 291 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,760 within about, uh, 292 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,200 10 miles of the peak of Shepston. 293 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:57,680 Okay. 294 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,520 And how long did that disorder last? 295 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,040 Uh, lasted for three to about, uh, 296 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:04,960 a minute and a half. 297 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,000 I let it go back to normal. 298 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,480 It only went normal as I passed, 299 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,680 as I got out of, 300 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:10,960 I left from Shepston. 301 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,160 Okay. So as the object, 302 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,400 look behind the clock, 303 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,760 well behind the button, 304 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,160 then you merged into the clouds and you merged out of it. 305 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:20,000 All during that period, 306 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,360 your panel was acting up. 307 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:24,160 No. 308 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,880 Only, only upon when I came out about 90 degrees, 309 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,720 at the closest point of them to the mountain, 310 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:31,760 because I could be down here, 311 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,600 and I was passing along this way. 312 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,680 So, okay, no problem here. 313 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,520 No problem here until I got right here. 314 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,320 So approximately 90 degrees from the object, 315 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,800 if I was to be perpendicular to the object, 316 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:43,920 you'd go along like this, 317 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,840 be perpendicular to it. 318 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,680 Yeah, parallel, perpendicular to it. 319 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,440 Uh, if my instruments showed for about a minute and a half, 320 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,920 that rosebud was to my left hand side. 321 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,120 Another 90 degrees. 322 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:55,840 Well, yeah, it would be, 323 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,200 it would be to the left hand side. 324 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,320 No, if you had it right here, 325 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,440 so it'd be a 180. 326 00:20:59,440 --> 00:20:59,920 Right. 327 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:00,320 Cross. 328 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:01,360 Okay. 329 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,200 And then, uh, about a minute and a half later. 330 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,480 Everything went fine, no problems. 331 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,960 I didn't have any instrument trouble prior to that, 332 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,320 or after that, to estimate. 333 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:11,680 Okay. 334 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,880 Getting back to last repeat, 335 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,120 you said the object, you initially saw the object, 336 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,160 and then it disappeared, and then it reappeared. 337 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:18,640 Right. 338 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:19,600 So the best of your ability, 339 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,920 could you describe how that, how it did that? 340 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,880 Um, it was there, and then it was gone. 341 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,240 That's about, that's about the best I can describe to you. 342 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,480 It was just there, and I, I, you know, 343 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,440 you try to concentrate on flying and everything else, 344 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,840 while you're doing that, you know, watching the moon rolls, 345 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,720 you know, what's going on. 346 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,640 Um, it was there for just more than, you know, 347 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,440 just sort of a blinking of an eye, it was gone. 348 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,440 Just, I didn't see it, I didn't have any view. 349 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:46,880 How did it appear? 350 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:47,120 Real. 351 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,400 Um, I just happened to notice it. 352 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,920 I wasn't looking for anything else. 353 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,240 It just, it just, as I was looking up, 354 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,720 sticking around, you know, you keep your eyes open, 355 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,800 so I caught eye of it again. 356 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,320 Okay, so you never saw it appear. 357 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,320 No, it was just, I just caught, caught eye of it, right. 358 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:05,200 Okay. 359 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,560 Now, when you got up to Shasta, 360 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,440 how did the object move into the clouds? 361 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:14,480 Slowly. 362 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,680 It just sort of, into the clouds, and that was it. 363 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,280 Was the object stable? 364 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,000 Was there any type of, any kind of, uh, 365 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,440 it seemed stable, seemed like it would be just like, 366 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,760 you know, taking your hand and moving it into, uh, 367 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,720 hooping cream, or suds in the bathroom, 368 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,960 and you just sort of, and you know, 369 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,560 some type of thing like that, wasn't it? 370 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,440 It was at the same case with its emergence. 371 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:38,480 Right. 372 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,440 And it emerged only partially? 373 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:42,320 Only partial. 374 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,840 Did you get the impression, though, that, uh, 375 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,320 Shasta, that it might be trying to hide from you? 376 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,160 I don't know if I could, uh, use that as an, 377 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,080 as an impression, it was trying to hide from you or something, 378 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,680 but it was, it was, it was there within that area. 379 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,560 I would assume that, I guess you could, 380 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,080 trying to hide from me or using a, 381 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,760 using a discreet, um, place for observance. 382 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:11,440 You know? 383 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,640 Well, when it, when it went back into the clouds, 384 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,160 it didn't turn it all over to the back end, 385 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,680 it just, it just, just back in. 386 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:18,720 Just back in, you know? 387 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,120 So like it had a reverse, you know? 388 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:21,920 Good night. 389 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,280 Good night, Ron. 390 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:23,920 Good night, Gary. 391 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:24,560 Have a good night. 392 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:25,040 Okay. 393 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,480 Okay, um, 394 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,000 that is just, uh, 395 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,320 feel like you're in the house, you know, 396 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,720 the auto-wash TV or something. 397 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,160 Okay, uh, the sun was out. 398 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,480 Did the, was there any glint or rubble? 399 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,840 No, I didn't notice it. 400 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,080 If there would have been, um, no, 401 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,840 in the position of the sun, 402 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,280 there couldn't have been any glint on the object, 403 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,080 because the sun would be to the back, 404 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,760 so it would give a, sort of a, a shadow effect to it. 405 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,480 There wasn't any sun shining on it. 406 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,840 Do you remember what the time was 407 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:02,880 when you were setting down here? 408 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,240 Apparently, I think it was approximately, 409 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,680 I don't think, if I left my flight plan, 410 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,200 I'm shot at about 10.30, 411 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,000 take me an hour. 412 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,200 It was about 11.30. 413 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,040 For the initial sighting? 414 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,640 For the initial sighting approximate, I believe. 415 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:17,440 For the plastic film? 416 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,000 Well, the last one followed, 417 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,240 probably for about, uh, four minutes. 418 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,480 But your second sighting was there to, uh, 419 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,520 what's the meaning? 420 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,640 It took me about another, uh, 35 minutes. 421 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,480 About 12, 12, 10, there abouts. 422 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,400 Right, I left some film. 423 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,760 Uh, 30 seconds, the first time, 424 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,040 then the second time again, 425 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:46,320 as it emerged lasted for, uh, 15, 20 seconds. 426 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,360 Was there any other chatter on the radio 427 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:51,200 that you could hear while you were recording this? 428 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:54,480 Anybody else talking about it? 429 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:56,400 Um, no, I, 430 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:58,640 I wasn't hearing anything. 431 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,160 And it was just kind of silent, 432 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,760 and all I was picking up was, uh, 433 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,280 of course I was only tuned to one channel. 434 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,720 And that was two channels, 435 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,920 just tuned to Seattle, 436 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,680 controlled Sierra and Oakland controlled Sierra both, 437 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,440 as you're right in that area. 438 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,800 I think you know where it transitioned. 439 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,440 Right, I don't know why. 440 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,640 And you want to listen to both. 441 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,560 I do, you don't have to. 442 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,920 And they say switch off to Seattle, 443 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,840 I don't have to listen to the Oakland or something like that. 444 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,320 Just in case they may want to raise me, 445 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,280 and they can't raise me. 446 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,120 And Seattle, I don't know what else I have. 447 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,520 Did Oakland give you any instructions 448 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,080 and what to do? 449 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,120 About that, any recorded? 450 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,200 No, they didn't. 451 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:32,640 Not really. 452 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,560 Seattle was one of the things that said, 453 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,240 don't talk about this channel until you've had someone contact you. 454 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,280 They really look at it, you know. 455 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,560 And they say they want to know if I, 456 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,080 this is my first sighting, 457 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,320 first experience or approximately how many hours I had in the air. 458 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:52,880 How many hours have you had? 459 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,800 Well, I've got approximately 300 hours now. 460 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:55,280 Yeah. 461 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,160 Yeah, I've been flying for, yeah. 462 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,640 My gosh, I've had my license a year today. 463 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,480 What kind of plane were you on? 464 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,840 I was flying a Cherokee arrow on 1970. 465 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,800 So they thought about it. 466 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:10,800 Is that your too? 467 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,160 Right. 468 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,440 Okay, I have a couple of questions. 469 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,720 What went through your mind when you saw the output? 470 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,360 The first time? 471 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,720 Both times. 472 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,600 Okay, the first time, 473 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,960 I thought maybe it was some sort of a weather disorder cloud, 474 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,720 but as it moved, what really bothered me is it moved from point A 475 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,600 to point B to halfway mark. 476 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,360 And that kind of concerned me a little bit. 477 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,920 And that's when I, I'm not sure what that is. 478 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,320 And that's when I got on Doe-Pun-Town and I asked them, 479 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,400 and I said, hasn't made that move. 480 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,520 I was about to, saw this thing out there and I asked my mission, 481 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,320 I said, what is that out there? 482 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,120 I'm just like, and they said, oh, I've got an obstacle. 483 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:52,160 And then when I really moved, 484 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,280 that's when I really started getting on the wall and watching things. 485 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,120 And then when I disappeared, I didn't think much about it. 486 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:58,320 I just kept looking back, 487 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,160 caught a blast and seeing if I could see anything. 488 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,160 And nothing happened until I got closer to Shaskett. 489 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,880 And there was our friend in there. 490 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:11,680 So you were within 10, 20 miles from up in Shaskett? 491 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,680 Right, from here, 20, 25 miles here, 492 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,920 10, 8, 10 miles right here. 493 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,120 Therefore, you had a closer view. 494 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,280 And you were in closer proximity, 495 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,560 what went through your mind at that time? 496 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,760 I really don't know. 497 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,560 I didn't want to say, except for, 498 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,800 I was extremely curious about it. 499 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,680 And I was interested in it. 500 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,480 And I was excited to get a picture. 501 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,960 Do you have any feeling of fear on this spot or this thing, 502 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,000 the other time? 503 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,920 No, there was no, no, I, 504 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,400 I don't think there was any reason to. 505 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,840 The object up here in Lassen was at point A, 506 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,920 and then it disappeared and you saw it, but feet. 507 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,320 Well, how many seconds, how many seconds elapsed? 508 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:00,720 From the time that you saw it? 509 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,840 Two seconds at the most. 510 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,480 I mean, it was, I mean, it was blink, blink, 511 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,640 and there it was half distance again. 512 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,040 Okay, so you have there, it was a problem. 513 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,960 What did you say, 50, 60 miles? 514 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,440 So let me try. 515 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,320 Well, it made it within about 30 miles of me. 516 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,600 Okay, so it went half that distance. 517 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,920 Just to clean up and all that, yeah. 518 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,040 We just, next thing I knew there was, 519 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,480 bingo, it was half the way. 520 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:26,720 That's interesting. 521 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,640 On your flight down, how far south did you go from Lassen? 522 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,200 Okay, I went far back down. 523 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,240 You came south with Lassen? 524 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,320 My original, my initial flight down? 525 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:42,400 Yes. 526 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,360 630, you guys. 527 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,600 Well, I went down as far south as, well, 528 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,240 right here, and then I picked up a vector and shoved off this way, 529 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,520 went to NAF in California. 530 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:56,080 Oh, I see. 531 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,280 And visited my parents there. 532 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,320 Well, it was our understanding, just went down, 533 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,440 turned around, came back. 534 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:01,920 Oh, no, no, no, no. 535 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,840 You know, I went down, spent some time with my parents. 536 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,160 I went down on Thursday, with Emi, 537 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,440 and then came back up on Sunday, Lassen, and then. 538 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,320 Oh, you have a big piece of paper here? 539 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,000 I was thinking the same thing. 540 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,080 Sketch? 541 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:22,400 Yes. 542 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,880 You're a good artist? 543 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,880 Well, I'm an artist, but I can give you a rough idea. 544 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,080 Very. 545 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,760 Just as big as you can get it out of there. 546 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:31,760 E. 547 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:32,800 Okay. 548 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,080 Yeah, the first one could be of Lassen. 549 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:37,440 Okay. 550 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,960 You could do a picture of the object as you saw at Lassen. 551 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,040 Okay. 552 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,480 Oh, Lassen. 553 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,640 You want the mountain in the background or anything? 554 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,240 Sure, to give us a little proxy. 555 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:52,400 Okay. 556 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,040 Oh, that's hard to do because I have no... 557 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,600 In the object, be a depiction. 558 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:01,120 Okay, I'll do it. 559 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:01,920 Give me the objects. 560 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:02,320 Okay. 561 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,320 And, okay. 562 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,280 Sort of. 563 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:11,280 Yeah. 564 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,560 It's more sort of bubbled. 565 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,520 It was kind of strange, sort of like this. 566 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,160 It's like a whale type of thing, but that's about the way it was that appeared to me. 567 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,320 And then, it was just sort of a grayish... 568 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,000 Same color all over. 569 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:30,480 All over. 570 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,160 It wasn't shaded in different ways. 571 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,640 It just seemed like a solid color, solid sort of. 572 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:43,520 Um, you know, sort of a grayish green. 573 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,200 But it maintained the same shape with all kinds. 574 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:47,760 Yes, it did. 575 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,000 It didn't seem to be very... 576 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:58,800 Okay, and let me say this is the object from Chester. 577 00:30:59,600 --> 00:30:59,920 Okay. 578 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:05,920 Okay. 579 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,640 Has it emerged or has I... 580 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:08,880 Sorry. 581 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:09,600 Has it emerged? 582 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,720 Has it emerged, okay. 583 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,920 Because it was a different shape. 584 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:19,280 Well, in the sense because I was seeing it from sort of a different angle as I saw it from here. 585 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,040 I'm sure that... 586 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:21,680 No. 587 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,880 It hasn't emerged here. 588 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:24,320 I'm having... 589 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:27,520 Shoot. 590 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:30,640 Shoot. 591 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,840 Let's see, there's a cigar or just a big disc with your... 592 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,520 If you're taking it off, I'm gonna... 593 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,160 I'm probably gonna put this around here. 594 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,080 See, five days, if there is a big crowd. 595 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:52,800 Yeah, there is. 596 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:09,920 Okay. 597 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,920 Sort of the bulbs around this. 598 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:17,520 Yeah. 599 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,760 You got some... 600 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,160 Cloud sort of over here. 601 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,480 Here it is. 602 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,920 Sort of like that, and then she moved back in. 603 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:39,920 How many seconds before you'd snap the last picture was taken? 604 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,920 That was taken approximately... 605 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,920 Five seconds, six seconds. 606 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,120 Before this emerged? 607 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:53,920 That's right. 608 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,800 It just looked behind the mirror. 609 00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:59,280 Sorry. 610 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,280 I had air freight on it, but it didn't work. 611 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,080 I'm just impressed by the size of that stuff. 612 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,120 It's big. 613 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:15,120 I know what a galaxy see fire is, and I've been up close to them. 614 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,640 And it's ever been that size. 615 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,680 There was a big... 616 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:19,920 It was good size. 617 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,920 There was a big... 618 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,920 It was good size. 619 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,920 I blew that thing up. 620 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,320 I put it... 621 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,920 I made a super large, large, and like that. 622 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,920 I made a... 623 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,920 a 24-inch, large, and like that. 624 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,920 It was all green, nothing else, but there wasn't any years. 625 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,920 It wasn't worth... 626 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,920 It was made of proof that it was made of green. 627 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,920 How did you develop your own color? 628 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,920 Well, I just recently started getting into this, 629 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,920 on making my own prints, 8x10, and a side block color. 630 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,920 I developed my own black and white, 631 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,920 and I'm printing my own black and white. 632 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,920 You know, I started to keep doing it, 633 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,920 but I was doing black and white, and it never got me the color. 634 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,920 The color is very, very easy to do. 635 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,920 It's a little more... 636 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,920 It's harder to do it than black and white, 637 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,920 so it's a little easy, because I go down to a U-developed operation on here, 638 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,920 and they help you do it for a long time, cost you $2.50 an hour, 639 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,920 to be able to get a closer look at the color, 640 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,920 and that's what you have to play around with for a while. 641 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,920 I'm curious. 642 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,920 Clouds are crispy, obviously. 643 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,920 When that thing moved out, 644 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,920 was there any clouds that trimmed? 645 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,920 Yeah, sort of. 646 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,920 It's sort of like, you know, like the pulling effect, 647 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,920 like I said, the... 648 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,920 Yeah, something... 649 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,920 Sort of like, you know, when you pull your hand out of a... 650 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,920 It's sort of like a... 651 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,920 left, left, left, right, like that. 652 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,920 Push one's back in. 653 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,920 Like you pull your hand out of... 654 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,920 You know, when it went in, it was like going in, 655 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,920 you know, your hand would have a bubble bath. 656 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,920 And when it came out, like, starting to merge, 657 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,920 it's like pulling out of a bubble bath. 658 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,920 I can't think of anything, either, 659 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,920 because obviously there was 660 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,920 no lights, no cameras, no openings. 661 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,920 So FAA did verify a blip on their screen. 662 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,920 I thought about the times that you've... 663 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,920 Right, but they didn't know, you know, 664 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,920 what altitude it was at, or, you know, 665 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,920 it was just, there was a blip there, and that was it. 666 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,920 They checked to see, from the military, 667 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,920 and see if they did have C5s in the area. 668 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,920 And they didn't have any that were VFR or IFR. 669 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,920 When you reported to Seattle Center 670 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,920 that you had spotted the altitude, 671 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,920 did you ask them at first if there was something else there, 672 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,920 or did they tell you that they could see something else? 673 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,920 I do. 674 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,920 When I asked them first if there was something else, 675 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,920 they said, well, there is. 676 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,920 Because it's a reference to... 677 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,920 So I've got him again, 678 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,920 something to that effect, and he said, 679 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,920 we do have a blip there, 680 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,920 but we don't know about altitude or anything else. 681 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,920 I asked him if they had a target, if you ask me. 682 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,920 I explained to him, I had to sight him again. 683 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,920 And no instrument or radio problems from there, northbound? 684 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,920 No, no problem whatsoever. 685 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,920 Well, something that big, you know, people driving, 686 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,920 up and down, 687 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,920 the clear day, you know, 688 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,920 the sight of people report. 689 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,920 That's true. 690 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,920 Traffic was pretty light. 691 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,920 No matter if I didn't see anybody on the road. 692 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,920 You'd think of it. 693 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,920 Of course, you're up pretty high, 694 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,920 but a little car is at 10,500 feet. 695 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,920 You can see by my altitude here on the plane, 696 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,920 see the mountains 14, 697 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,920 and you can see about where the eye level was 698 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,920 was right about through here. 699 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,920 Did you ever get the urge to close in on this thing? 700 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,920 No. 701 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,920 Your curiosity stopped. 702 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,920 I stopped when I got that close and it emerged. 703 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,920 I said, oh, that's okay. 704 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,920 I wasn't curious. 705 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,920 About when it showed up close to you down near Lassen, 706 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,920 did that kind of startle you? 707 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,920 It startled me, but that was about it. 708 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,920 I didn't, didn't scare me or anything. 709 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,920 The thing that I was fighting was time, 710 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,920 because I didn't want to file IFR. 711 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,920 I had come into Portland, 712 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,920 and I almost wanted for him to do that anyway. 713 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,920 I was really fighting time, 714 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,920 and I got in all the way in, 715 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,920 and he had hard conditions, 716 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,920 but I wasn't down to about 10 minutes, 717 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,920 and I didn't have IFR. 718 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,920 You couldn't see two feet in front of you, 719 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,920 because they were so heavy. 720 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,920 So you've never had a full experience before? 721 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,920 No, I haven't. 722 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,920 Do you know any pilots or friends that are there? 723 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,920 No, I don't. 724 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,920 Have you talked about this to anyone on that? 725 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,920 Just a couple of friends I asked, 726 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,920 and they were worried about something, 727 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,920 you know, pain on just a couple of people. 728 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,920 That's your brother?